representingthemambo:

Daniel Hannan is a truly dreadful politician. Myopic, intellectually dishonest and by all appearances not terribly bright.  He has recently tried to equate hatred of Tories with racism. This ludicrous argument been prompted by Mehdi Hasan’s recent piece in the Guardian that has generated so much comment, including from ourselves.

Hannan thinks it’s hypocritical for ‘lefties’ (they’re everywhere and they want your children!) to profess hatred for his party but then condemn racist abuse directed at prominent Muslim journalists.

It’s such a childish argument it’s hardly worth responding to. Conflating ideas and ethnicity is the definition of idiocy. When the online trolls are attacking Hasan, Alibhai-Brown et al they are attempting to intimidate them into silence, belittle them and deny them their democratic right to free expression. When people are attacking the Tories they are attacking a party that governs in the interests of the few and not the many. A party who despises ordinary working people. A party willing to scapegoat the most vulnerable in order to distract attention from the real problems in society, problems that they are usually the authors of. A party willing to hand our public services over to corporations who seek only to make money out of them. A party whose economic strategy has dramatically increased the number of unemployed but who then blame the unemployed for being in that position. A party who over the years has viciously persecuted people on the basis of their race and sexuality. The Conservatives are the party of hatred and bigotry. It’s only right that sometimes we respond in kind. If Hannan doesn’t understand why so many people despise him and his party he’s an even bigger moron than I had him down for. A man who can describe the NHS as ‘a 60 year mistake’, when before healthcare was brought under national, central control, people simply died for want of the funds to pay for their treatment, is not a man blessed with great insight.

Anyway, in that vein I’m re-blogging another excellent piece from Guy Debord’s cat taking Hannan’s risible arguments apart.

 

Originally posted on Guy Debord's Cat:

Hannan plays the victim card again

I can always tell when Dan Hannan’s bored because he starts moaning about how “lefties (a word I detest) hate the Tories”. What gets me about his oft-expressed sentiment is how he seems to feel everyone, regardless of their political complexion, should love the Tories – even respect them while they’re being repeatedly kicked in the face. But why should I or anyone else have any respect for them? He doesn’t say. He won’t say.

Today Hannan claims that “some online hatreds are prosecuted, others applauded”.  This blog hangs on the coattails of those which support Mehdi Hasan’s article in which he describes being subjected to Internet abuse (much of it on Telegraph blogs). Representing the Mambo covered Hasan’s article and the handwringing outrage that greeted it in this excellent blog. Hannan opens with,

The Guardian is again agonising over the nasty comments on its online…

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11 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Arkin Gaulson
    Jul 14, 2012 @ 13:31:31

    This is such an unintentionally hilarious piece. This is the kind of journalism that passes in the U.K. these days? My my how the mighty have fallen. Which party did the first ethnic MP come from? What about the first female PM? Do you respond to any of his actual arguments or do you simply just engage in ad hominem against the writer? You dare to call him intellectually dishonest yet he’s not the one arguing in cliche and logical fallacies.

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  2. buddyhell
    Jul 15, 2012 @ 10:53:30

    “This is such an unintentionally hilarious piece”. And you are Dan Hannan and I claim my £5.

    Now this is unintentionally hilarious.

    “What about the first female PM”?

    The first woman PM who did nothing for women or families come to think about it. The legend is greater than the woman herself.

    “Do you respond to any of his actual arguments or do you simply just engage in ad hominem against the writer”?

    Please indicate where there is an ad hominem in the article. You can’t because there isn’t one.

    “You dare to call him intellectually dishonest yet he’s not the one arguing in cliche and logical fallacies”.

    What “logical fallacies”? Is Hannan claiming that Tories should be treated the same as a minority group or what?

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  3. walker
    Jul 15, 2012 @ 11:43:15

    In the UK more people die of cancer than in Holland. This is because Holland has a more expensive, better, means-tested health care system. Like many western countries. However in the UK , partly due to bigoted, close minded idealist like you, we have a cheaper system that causes more people to die. Hannan is right about the nhs and one day the misery caused by your arogant and cretinous idealism will be revealed.

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    • buddyhell
      Jul 15, 2012 @ 12:23:18

      Oh, it’s all “my fault”, is it? I’ve noticed how you people are unable to respond to a blog without issuing insults. Is that what they teach you in bootcamp these days?

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  4. mahou
    Jul 15, 2012 @ 13:58:33

    “A party who despises ordinary working people.”

    On the contrary, it is ordinary working people who form the majority of Tory voters. How else does the Conservative Party win elections?

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    • representingthemambo
      Jul 15, 2012 @ 14:12:50

      “on the contrary” doesn’t come into it. The party can despise the working class and still need their votes to win elections. If that’s the best argument you can come up with, along with the brainless manipulation of the facts by Hannan, his nom de plumes and his hangers-on, then Buddy can be pretty assured he has won the argument.

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  5. Alan Haywood
    Jul 16, 2012 @ 18:17:14

    perhaps the most smug, uninspiring, pseudo intellectual piece of garbage I have read in ages. To paraphrase – ‘It’s such a childish argument it’s hardly worth responding to’…..so I won’t, It would, quite clearly be pointless.

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    • representingthemambo
      Jul 16, 2012 @ 19:27:56

      And yet you leave a comment…………….
      I’m deeply, deeply distressed that people who consider themselves politically knowledgeable politics can’t see the difference between criticism of the Conservatives and racist abuse. It’s frighteningly basic stuff and if you can’t see why it is so basic then that is very, very sad indeed.

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  6. Daniel Hassett (@danofkent)
    Jul 17, 2012 @ 17:08:13

    I’m surprised you need ask for examples of ad hom attacks – I count four in the first two sentences! Are you honestly claiming that calling someone “dreadful” and “not terribly bright” is not an attack against the person?

    Your later sentence: “Conflating ideas and ethnicity is the definition of idiocy” is particularly amusing. Islam is a set of ideas, not an ethnicity, so it is you who has conflated the two!

    This article is unintentionally hilarious because you proceed to do exactly what Dan complains about. You simultaneously present nasty attacks against him and Conservatives in generally while complaining that anyone doing the same to left wing commentators is a bullying troll.

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    • representingthemambo
      Jul 17, 2012 @ 18:05:45

      Daniel, let me break it down for you.

      Buddy is asking for examples of ad hominem attacks in his piece, the one I linked to.
      The fact that you appear to not to have understood that what I wrote and what I linked to aren’t the same thing would strongly suggest that you haven’t bothered to actually read the piece properly.

      And once again I need to spell another point out. There is no moral equivalence between explaining why and suggesting that Hannan is a tosser, and racist abuse of Muslim commentators. It is extraordinarily depressing that a succession of white, middle class males who have commented here do not understand that simple distinction and just goes to show how out-of-touch they are.

      It is also becoming clear that many of you don’t appear to understand the meaning of ad hominem. Suffice it to say, “someone saying something I don’t agree with” doesn’t cover it…….

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  7. soiniciulacht
    Jul 20, 2012 @ 23:02:04

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